[Jingle] momentum

[Peter Saint-Andre]

I just submitted a proposal to give a talk at FOSDEM about Jingle. We
have a lot of momentum right now with all the development efforts going
on (Pidgin, Kopete, Yate, Psi, Pandion, Gajim, SIP Communicator,
Empath/Telepathy, etc.) and the FSF's mention of Jingle in its call for
a free and open alternative to Skype. [1] So I wonder if perhaps we can
make a big push for Jingle support in a bunch of clients by the time of
FOSDEM (early February). Not necessarily releases (I don't want to tell
you guys when to release new versions of your software!), but strong
progress in these clients so that we can publish a list of software that
has working Jingle support or has pledged to have such support (perhaps
by end of 2009 or before FOSDEM 2010 or something like that). I think
this could be a powerful thing to announce at FOSDEM. We could even have
one representative from each project up on stage to emphasize the point
that we have a whole bunch of people and projects on board to make this
happen!

What do you think?

Peter

[1] http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority.html#skypereplacement

[Remko Tronçon]

> What do you think?

+1 on all that.

If all goes according to plan, Psi might even have something by the
beginning of February. And like every year, there will be at least one
attention-hungry Psi representative on FOSDEM, so putting someone on
stage will be no problem.

cheers,
Remko

[Diana Cionoiu]

+1

Diana

Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> I just submitted a proposal to give a talk at FOSDEM about Jingle. We
> have a lot of momentum right now with all the development efforts going
> on (Pidgin, Kopete, Yate, Psi, Pandion, Gajim, SIP Communicator,
> Empath/Telepathy, etc.) and the FSF's mention of Jingle in its call for
> a free and open alternative to Skype. [1] So I wonder if perhaps we can
> make a big push for Jingle support in a bunch of clients by the time of
> FOSDEM (early February). Not necessarily releases (I don't want to tell
> you guys when to release new versions of your software!), but strong
> progress in these clients so that we can publish a list of software that
> has working Jingle support or has pledged to have such support (perhaps
> by end of 2009 or before FOSDEM 2010 or something like that). I think
> this could be a powerful thing to announce at FOSDEM. We could even have
> one representative from each project up on stage to emphasize the point
> that we have a whole bunch of people and projects on board to make this
> happen!
>
> What do you think?
>
> Peter
>
> [1] http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority.html#skypereplacement
>
>

[Detlev Casanova]

On Friday 14 November 2008 01:32:24 Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> I just submitted a proposal to give a talk at FOSDEM about Jingle. We
> have a lot of momentum right now with all the development efforts going
> on (Pidgin, Kopete, Yate, Psi, Pandion, Gajim, SIP Communicator,
> Empath/Telepathy, etc.) and the FSF's mention of Jingle in its call for
> a free and open alternative to Skype. [1] So I wonder if perhaps we can
> make a big push for Jingle support in a bunch of clients by the time of
> FOSDEM (early February). Not necessarily releases (I don't want to tell
> you guys when to release new versions of your software!), but strong
> progress in these clients so that we can publish a list of software that
> has working Jingle support or has pledged to have such support (perhaps
> by end of 2009 or before FOSDEM 2010 or something like that). I think
> this could be a powerful thing to announce at FOSDEM. We could even have
> one representative from each project up on stage to emphasize the point
> that we have a whole bunch of people and projects on board to make this
> happen!
>
> What do you think?
>
> Peter
>
> [1] http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority.html#skypereplacement

Great idea !, I'll be there :-)

[Justin Uberti]

I like this idea. Perhaps we should plan some sort of interop event later in
the year as well.

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Detlev Casanova
<detlev.casanova (AT) gmail (DOT) com>wrote:

> On Friday 14 November 2008 01:32:24 Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> > I just submitted a proposal to give a talk at FOSDEM about Jingle. We
> > have a lot of momentum right now with all the development efforts going
> > on (Pidgin, Kopete, Yate, Psi, Pandion, Gajim, SIP Communicator,
> > Empath/Telepathy, etc.) and the FSF's mention of Jingle in its call for
> > a free and open alternative to Skype. [1] So I wonder if perhaps we can
> > make a big push for Jingle support in a bunch of clients by the time of
> > FOSDEM (early February). Not necessarily releases (I don't want to tell
> > you guys when to release new versions of your software!), but strong
> > progress in these clients so that we can publish a list of software that
> > has working Jingle support or has pledged to have such support (perhaps
> > by end of 2009 or before FOSDEM 2010 or something like that). I think
> > this could be a powerful thing to announce at FOSDEM. We could even have
> > one representative from each project up on stage to emphasize the point
> > that we have a whole bunch of people and projects on board to make this
> > happen!
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > [1] http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority.html#skypereplacement
>
> Great idea !, I'll be there :-)
>

[Peter Saint-Andre]

How about interop events at both FOSDEM 2009 and OSCON 2009?

Justin Uberti wrote:
> I like this idea. Perhaps we should plan some sort of interop event
> later in the year as well.
>
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Detlev Casanova
> <detlev.casanova (AT) gmail (DOT) com <mailto:detlev.casanova (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> wrote:
>
> On Friday 14 November 2008 01:32:24 Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> > I just submitted a proposal to give a talk at FOSDEM about Jingle. We
> > have a lot of momentum right now with all the development efforts
> going
> > on (Pidgin, Kopete, Yate, Psi, Pandion, Gajim, SIP Communicator,
> > Empath/Telepathy, etc.) and the FSF's mention of Jingle in its
> call for
> > a free and open alternative to Skype. [1] So I wonder if perhaps
> we can
> > make a big push for Jingle support in a bunch of clients by the
> time of
> > FOSDEM (early February). Not necessarily releases (I don't want to
> tell
> > you guys when to release new versions of your software!), but strong
> > progress in these clients so that we can publish a list of
> software that
> > has working Jingle support or has pledged to have such support
> (perhaps
> > by end of 2009 or before FOSDEM 2010 or something like that). I think
> > this could be a powerful thing to announce at FOSDEM. We could
> even have
> > one representative from each project up on stage to emphasize the
> point
> > that we have a whole bunch of people and projects on board to make
> this
> > happen!
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > [1] http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority.html#skypereplacement
>
> Great idea !, I'll be there :-)
>
>

[Justin Uberti]

Will enough people be ready by FOSDEM?

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter (AT) stpeter (DOT) im>wrote:

> How about interop events at both FOSDEM 2009 and OSCON 2009?
>
> Justin Uberti wrote:
> > I like this idea. Perhaps we should plan some sort of interop event
> > later in the year as well.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Detlev Casanova
> > <detlev.casanova (AT) gmail (DOT) com <mailto:detlev.casanova (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> wrote:
> >
> > On Friday 14 November 2008 01:32:24 Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> > > I just submitted a proposal to give a talk at FOSDEM about Jingle.
> We
> > > have a lot of momentum right now with all the development efforts
> > going
> > > on (Pidgin, Kopete, Yate, Psi, Pandion, Gajim, SIP Communicator,
> > > Empath/Telepathy, etc.) and the FSF's mention of Jingle in its
> > call for
> > > a free and open alternative to Skype. [1] So I wonder if perhaps
> > we can
> > > make a big push for Jingle support in a bunch of clients by the
> > time of
> > > FOSDEM (early February). Not necessarily releases (I don't want to
> > tell
> > > you guys when to release new versions of your software!), but
> strong
> > > progress in these clients so that we can publish a list of
> > software that
> > > has working Jingle support or has pledged to have such support
> > (perhaps
> > > by end of 2009 or before FOSDEM 2010 or something like that). I
> think
> > > this could be a powerful thing to announce at FOSDEM. We could
> > even have
> > > one representative from each project up on stage to emphasize the
> > point
> > > that we have a whole bunch of people and projects on board to make
> > this
> > > happen!
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > [1] http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority.html#skypereplacement
> >
> > Great idea !, I'll be there :-)
> >
> >
>

[Peter Saint-Andre]

I think enough people might be ready to at least hold a bit of a
hackfest/testfest among some developers from Europe. It's good to aim
for that, anyway. :)

Justin Uberti wrote:
> Will enough people be ready by FOSDEM?
>
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter (AT) stpeter (DOT) im
> <mailto:stpeter (AT) stpeter (DOT) im>> wrote:
>
> How about interop events at both FOSDEM 2009 and OSCON 2009?
>
> Justin Uberti wrote:
> > I like this idea. Perhaps we should plan some sort of interop event
> > later in the year as well.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Detlev Casanova
> > <detlev.casanova (AT) gmail (DOT) com <mailto:detlev.casanova (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
> <mailto:detlev.casanova (AT) gmail (DOT) com
> <mailto:detlev.casanova (AT) gmail (DOT) com>>> wrote:
> >
> > On Friday 14 November 2008 01:32:24 Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> > > I just submitted a proposal to give a talk at FOSDEM about
> Jingle. We
> > > have a lot of momentum right now with all the development
> efforts
> > going
> > > on (Pidgin, Kopete, Yate, Psi, Pandion, Gajim, SIP Communicator,
> > > Empath/Telepathy, etc.) and the FSF's mention of Jingle in its
> > call for
> > > a free and open alternative to Skype. [1] So I wonder if perhaps
> > we can
> > > make a big push for Jingle support in a bunch of clients by the
> > time of
> > > FOSDEM (early February). Not necessarily releases (I don't
> want to
> > tell
> > > you guys when to release new versions of your software!),
> but strong
> > > progress in these clients so that we can publish a list of
> > software that
> > > has working Jingle support or has pledged to have such support
> > (perhaps
> > > by end of 2009 or before FOSDEM 2010 or something like
> that). I think
> > > this could be a powerful thing to announce at FOSDEM. We could
> > even have
> > > one representative from each project up on stage to
> emphasize the
> > point
> > > that we have a whole bunch of people and projects on board
> to make
> > this
> > > happen!
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > [1] http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority.html#skypereplacement
> >
> > Great idea !, I'll be there :-)
> >
> >

[Diana Cionoiu]

I'm gonna be ready with all the functionality by than, so I'm all for it.
Even if we will have 2 implementations to test with other developers can
take a look.

Diana

Justin Uberti wrote:
> Will enough people be ready by FOSDEM?
>
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Peter Saint-Andre
> <stpeter (AT) stpeter (DOT) im <mailto:stpeter (AT) stpeter (DOT) im>> wrote:
>
> How about interop events at both FOSDEM 2009 and OSCON 2009?
>
> Justin Uberti wrote:
> > I like this idea. Perhaps we should plan some sort of interop event
> > later in the year as well.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Detlev Casanova
> > <detlev.casanova (AT) gmail (DOT) com <mailto:detlev.casanova (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
> <mailto:detlev.casanova (AT) gmail (DOT) com
> <mailto:detlev.casanova (AT) gmail (DOT) com>>> wrote:
> >
> > On Friday 14 November 2008 01:32:24 Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> > > I just submitted a proposal to give a talk at FOSDEM about
> Jingle. We
> > > have a lot of momentum right now with all the development
> efforts
> > going
> > > on (Pidgin, Kopete, Yate, Psi, Pandion, Gajim, SIP
> Communicator,
> > > Empath/Telepathy, etc.) and the FSF's mention of Jingle in its
> > call for
> > > a free and open alternative to Skype. [1] So I wonder if
> perhaps
> > we can
> > > make a big push for Jingle support in a bunch of clients
> by the
> > time of
> > > FOSDEM (early February). Not necessarily releases (I don't
> want to
> > tell
> > > you guys when to release new versions of your software!),
> but strong
> > > progress in these clients so that we can publish a list of
> > software that
> > > has working Jingle support or has pledged to have such support
> > (perhaps
> > > by end of 2009 or before FOSDEM 2010 or something like
> that). I think
> > > this could be a powerful thing to announce at FOSDEM. We could
> > even have
> > > one representative from each project up on stage to
> emphasize the
> > point
> > > that we have a whole bunch of people and projects on board
> to make
> > this
> > > happen!
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > [1]
> http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority.html#skypereplacement
> >
> > Great idea !, I'll be there :-)
> >
> >
>
>

[Peter Saint-Andre]

Yes, let's get as many people at FOSDEM as we can and have a hackfest.
We can always do it again at OSCON with more folks from N. America. :)

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 11:51:41PM +0200, Diana Cionoiu wrote:
> I'm gonna be ready with all the functionality by than, so I'm all for it.
> Even if we will have 2 implementations to test with other developers can
> take a look.
>
> Diana
>
> Justin Uberti wrote:
>> Will enough people be ready by FOSDEM?
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Peter Saint-Andre
>> <stpeter (AT) stpeter (DOT) im <mailto:stpeter (AT) stpeter (DOT) im>> wrote:
>>
>> How about interop events at both FOSDEM 2009 and OSCON 2009?
>>
>> Justin Uberti wrote:
>> > I like this idea. Perhaps we should plan some sort of interop event
>> > later in the year as well.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Detlev Casanova
>> > <detlev.casanova (AT) gmail (DOT) com <mailto:detlev.casanova (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
>> <mailto:detlev.casanova (AT) gmail (DOT) com
>> <mailto:detlev.casanova (AT) gmail (DOT) com>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Friday 14 November 2008 01:32:24 Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>> > > I just submitted a proposal to give a talk at FOSDEM about
>> Jingle. We
>> > > have a lot of momentum right now with all the development
>> efforts
>> > going
>> > > on (Pidgin, Kopete, Yate, Psi, Pandion, Gajim, SIP
>> Communicator,
>> > > Empath/Telepathy, etc.) and the FSF's mention of Jingle in its
>> > call for
>> > > a free and open alternative to Skype. [1] So I wonder if
>> perhaps
>> > we can
>> > > make a big push for Jingle support in a bunch of clients
>> by the
>> > time of
>> > > FOSDEM (early February). Not necessarily releases (I don't
>> want to
>> > tell
>> > > you guys when to release new versions of your software!),
>> but strong
>> > > progress in these clients so that we can publish a list of
>> > software that
>> > > has working Jingle support or has pledged to have such support
>> > (perhaps
>> > > by end of 2009 or before FOSDEM 2010 or something like
>> that). I think
>> > > this could be a powerful thing to announce at FOSDEM. We could
>> > even have
>> > > one representative from each project up on stage to
>> emphasize the
>> > point
>> > > that we have a whole bunch of people and projects on board
>> to make
>> > this
>> > > happen!
>> > >
>> > > What do you think?
>> > >
>> > > Peter
>> > >
>> > > [1]
>> http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority.html#skypereplacement
>> >
>> > Great idea !, I'll be there :-)
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>

--
Peter Saint-Andre
https://stpeter.im/

[Dirk Meyer]

Hi,

Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> I just submitted a proposal to give a talk at FOSDEM about Jingle. We
> have a lot of momentum right now with all the development efforts going
> on (Pidgin, Kopete, Yate, Psi, Pandion, Gajim, SIP Communicator,
> Empath/Telepathy, etc.) and the FSF's mention of Jingle in its call for
> a free and open alternative to Skype.

I think it is a good idea. If I ask what people know about XMPP they
only know that it is for chatting; people do not know that we have
Jingle RTP.

> So I wonder if perhaps we can make a big push for Jingle support in a
> bunch of clients by the time of FOSDEM (early February).

We should also keep TCP-based Jingle in mind. Jingle is much more than
just VoIP. We already have Jingle Filetransfer and the client-to-client
security layer also depends on it.


Dirk

--
My mind not only wanders, sometimes it leaves completely.

[Peter Saint-Andre]

Dirk Meyer wrote:
>
> Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>> So I wonder if perhaps we can make a big push for Jingle support in a
>> bunch of clients by the time of FOSDEM (early February).
>
> We should also keep TCP-based Jingle in mind. Jingle is much more than
> just VoIP. We already have Jingle Filetransfer and the client-to-client
> security layer also depends on it.

Oh, for sure. But I think that once clients have support for the Jingle
state machine in place it will be much easier to add things like e2e or
file transfer.

Peter

--
Peter Saint-Andre
https://stpeter.im/