Daniel Henninger
06-23-2008, 08:57 PM
Definitely for other server admins or security personell. =)
Is there any reason why xmpp.net and jabber.org have to be completely separate databases? Register with xmpp.net, ok, flag mine as a public server, maybe fill out some more info, ok now it's also populated into jabber.org's server list.
Daniel
On 6/23/08 2:44 PM, "Peter Saint-Andre" <stpeter (AT) stpeter (DOT) im> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 06:42:29PM +0000, Daniel Henninger wrote:
> Lemme try a slightly different perspective here. First off, I think random end users definitely shouldn't easily find a list of private servers. I highly agree with them getting confused easily. I mean if you go looking for a list of servers and come across jabber.org and awesomedudes.org you might go with awesomedudes.org because it's a cooler sounding name to you. Oh crap, this is a private one? I don't understand.
>
> HOWEVER, I would -love- to be able to see a list including private servers. Why? What if my server starts getting "bothered" by awesomeninjas.org and I'm like what is this server bothering mine? It would be handy to be able to go to a site, type in awesomeninjas.org, and end up finding a listing at jabber.org for the service and ideally some contact information so I can ask them wtf they're doing.
So that service would be for other server admins, not end users,
correct?
> So ideally I'd say some sort of ability to register private servers and just not include them in the public "here's a server to use" lists. I might even go as far as to suggest, must register with jabber.org to get startcom cert. (in other words, startcom cert is managed/set up for you by registering with jabber.org)
You need to register with xmpp.net to get a startcom cert, but right now
we don't use xmpp.net as a directory of all the servers in existence (or
anything except a launching pad for server admins to get to StartCom for
obtaining a cert).
> Now, I can't currently resolve new.jabber.org, so I can't look at the current setup, but just some thoughts.
Yeah that was a temporary domain for bootstrapping purposes.
/psa
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Is there any reason why xmpp.net and jabber.org have to be completely separate databases? Register with xmpp.net, ok, flag mine as a public server, maybe fill out some more info, ok now it's also populated into jabber.org's server list.
Daniel
On 6/23/08 2:44 PM, "Peter Saint-Andre" <stpeter (AT) stpeter (DOT) im> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 06:42:29PM +0000, Daniel Henninger wrote:
> Lemme try a slightly different perspective here. First off, I think random end users definitely shouldn't easily find a list of private servers. I highly agree with them getting confused easily. I mean if you go looking for a list of servers and come across jabber.org and awesomedudes.org you might go with awesomedudes.org because it's a cooler sounding name to you. Oh crap, this is a private one? I don't understand.
>
> HOWEVER, I would -love- to be able to see a list including private servers. Why? What if my server starts getting "bothered" by awesomeninjas.org and I'm like what is this server bothering mine? It would be handy to be able to go to a site, type in awesomeninjas.org, and end up finding a listing at jabber.org for the service and ideally some contact information so I can ask them wtf they're doing.
So that service would be for other server admins, not end users,
correct?
> So ideally I'd say some sort of ability to register private servers and just not include them in the public "here's a server to use" lists. I might even go as far as to suggest, must register with jabber.org to get startcom cert. (in other words, startcom cert is managed/set up for you by registering with jabber.org)
You need to register with xmpp.net to get a startcom cert, but right now
we don't use xmpp.net as a directory of all the servers in existence (or
anything except a launching pad for server admins to get to StartCom for
obtaining a cert).
> Now, I can't currently resolve new.jabber.org, so I can't look at the current setup, but just some thoughts.
Yeah that was a temporary domain for bootstrapping purposes.
/psa
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